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Hi folks :)

[Edit: This has become very long. Scroll to the red block a few posts below for a my condensed view :D ]

This is basically a mind-and-text-dump  ;) I recently read a few short texts which expressed quite clearly some of the ideas that were floating around in my mind, or added new ideas. I feel like that these paragraphs really helped me to take some ideas into daily practice. So, this will be long texts. If one doesn't seem interesting, maybe read the others :) Hopefully it helps someone -- enjoy ^_^

1. The first thing is by some Tony Robbins, who is no occultist at all, as it seems.

[Edit: If that looks to long, RuneSoup has a blog entry https://runesoup.com/2011/10/superheroism-begins-in-the-home/ where the part about "Microsuperheroism" -- in my view -- brings the same point across, with less details but much shorter. It's also a good post in it's own right.]

"The human brain isn’t designed to make us happy and fulfilled. It’s designed to make us survive.

This two-million-year-old organ is always looking for what’s wrong, for whatever can hurt us, so that we can either fight it or take flight from it. If you and I leave this ancient survival software to run the show, what chance do we have of enjoying life? An undirected mind operates naturally in survival mode, constantly identifying and magnifying these potential threats to our well-being. The result: a life filled with stress and anxiety.

Most people live this way since it’s the path of least resistance. They make unconscious decisions, based on habit and conditioning, and are at the mercy of their own minds. They assume that it’s just an inevitable part of life to get frustrated, stressed, sad, and angry—in other words, to live in a suffering state. But I’m happy to tell you there’s another path: one that involves directing your thoughts so that your mind does your bidding, not the other way around.[...]

Now, before we go any further, let’s just clarify the difference between these two emotional and mental states:

A Beautiful State
When you feel love, joy, gratitude, awe, playfulness, ease, creativity, drive, caring, growth, curiosity, or appreciation, you’re in a beautiful state. In this state, you know exactly what to do, and you do the right thing. In this state, your spirit and your heart are alive, and the best of you comes out. Nothing feels like a problem, and everything flows. You feel no fear or frustration. You’re in harmony with your true essence.

A Suffering State
When you’re feeling stressed out, worried, frustrated, angry, depressed, irritable, overwhelmed, resentful, or fearful, you’re in a suffering state. We’ve all experienced these and countless other “negative” emotions, even if we’re not always keen to admit it! Most achievers much prefer to think they’re stressed than fearful. But “stress” is just the achiever word for fear. If I follow the trail of your stress, it’ll take me to your deepest fear.

[... Skipping a large part where he gives a typology of suffering, which I feel doesn't add a lot. If you want it, write it and I'll add it]

But here’s the good news: once you’re aware of these patterns of focus, you can systematically change them, thereby freeing yourself from these habits of suffering. It all starts with the realization that this involves a conscious choice. Either you master your mind or it masters you. The secret of living an extraordinary life is to take control of the mind since this alone will determine whether you live in a suffering state or a beautiful state.

Our lives are shaped not by our conditions, but by our decisions. If you look back on the last 5 or 10 years I’d be willing to bet that you can recall a decision or two that has truly changed your life. Maybe it was a decision about where to go to school, what profession to pursue, or who you chose to love or marry. Looking back on it now, can you see how radically different your life would be today if you had made a different decision? These and so many other decisions determine the direction of your life and can change your destiny.

So what’s the biggest decision you can make in your life right now? In the past, I would have told you that what matters most is who you decide to spend your time with, who you decide to love. After all, the company you keep will powerfully shape who you become.

But over the last two years, my thinking has evolved. What I’ve come to realize is that the single most important decision in life is this: Are you committed to being happy, no matter what happens to you?

To put this another way, will you commit to enjoying life not only when everything goes your way but also when everything goes against you, when injustice happens, when someone screws you over, when you lose something or someone you love, or when nobody seems to understand or appreciate you? Unless we make this definitive decision to stop suffering and live in a beautiful state, our survival minds will create suffering whenever our desires, expectations, or preferences are not met. What a waste of so much of our lives!

This is a decision that can change everything in your life, starting today. But it’s not enough just to say that you’d like to make this change or that your preference is to be happy no matter what. You have to own this decision, do whatever it takes to make it happen, and cut off any possibility of turning back. If you want to take the island, you have to burn the boats. You have to decide that you’re 100% responsible for your state of mind and for your experience of this life.

What it really comes down to is drawing a line in the sand today and declaring, “I’m done with suffering. I’m going to live every day to the fullest and find juice in every moment, including the ones I don’t like, BECAUSE LIFE IS JUST TOO SHORT TO SUFFER.” "

That was number 1. Usually I hear that one has to interpret negative emotions and learn from them. And I agree, but often worries do just seem illusionary, but still appear. That's why I think that a conscious focus on what is well ("I'm grateful for ...") is also important. And -- from this text -- the "simple" commitment to be happy no matter what :)

Number 2 are two excertps from Alan Chapman's "The Camel Rides Again"

2.1 Is about active magic

"The fact is, magick is so simple it makes it hard to describe.

To make it clearer, I’ve devised a clear outline of the magical act, which can be applied to any magical technique. We’ll examine it in more detail in a moment, but for now it goes like this:

1. Decide what you want to occur.
2. Ensure that what you want to occur has a means of manifestation.
3. Choose an experience.
4. Decide that the chosen experience means the same thing as what you want to occur.
5. Perform the act or undergo the experience.
6. Obtain the result.

Let’s suppose you want a pay-rise at work. If you performed some magick for this, you might do the following:

1. Decide what you want to occur. --- That’s easy: ‘I will get a pay-rise at work.’
2. Ensure that what you want to occur has a means of manifestation.  ---Well, I do have a job and money does exist, so no problem there.
3. Choose an experience. --- This could be any ritual where I imitated the outcome; a completely nonsensical action, or the visualisation of an arbitrary sigil I’d made — whatever takes my fancy.
4. Decide that the chosen experience means the same thing as what you want to occur.  --- I decide to do the ritual that imitates the desired outcome, and so I simply decide that’s what the ritual means.
5. Perform the act or undergo the experience. --- I actually get out of my chair and do the ritual.
6. Obtain the result. --- This will manifest as a synchronicity — usually no sooner than the next day — although this may vary according to the desired outcome.
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This is the shortest concrete formula I know and therefore quite interesting.

2.2 Is kind of about the Law of Attraction, or some similar mechanism, from the same book.

"So, if all you need to do is act on a belief to make it true, then — if you want to live in a happy, wonderful world — all you need to do is act like you live in a happy, wonderful world. When I say ‘act’, this can be anything from a full-blown ritual act to something as simple as telling yourself the world is a fun, good place to be.

Of course, just saying it once won’t change much. Try it, and see how fast you revert back to thinking and acting as if the world isn’t so great. In order to work magick on the self effectively you must replace the habitual magick you do every day for undesirable ends, with new habitual magick. This means repetition.

Although I’ve argued that all you need to do in order to make a belief true is to act on it, please don’t think that if you believe you can fly then jumping off a tall building will make it so. Remember the second step of the ritual outline: ensure there is a means of manifestation for the belief. For a belief to
manifest in the material world, it must be within the game-rules of the material world. Humans do not fly. Humans cannot walk through walls, or pass through speeding cars, no matter how
hard they believe it. Thinking real hard is not belief shifting, nor is it magick.

The good news about magick and belief shifting is that you can re -make yourself however you see fit. You can ditch a crappy world-view for a good one; swap depression for joy; pessimism for optimism; or anxiety for peace. Of course, if you want to be depressed, scared and pessimistic, all you need to do is act in that way."
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And another thing that I want to add is 3. Arjil on Magick in a world with actually many people :)
"The whole problem with a worldview like "The Secret" is, though we can have an INFLUENCE over our reality and the currents in it, so can everybody Else. We do not exist in a vacuum, there's a whole entire universe that's going on that has nothing to do with Us, and is about it's own business. Shit happens, because shit is happening whether we knew about it, or not. The world is in constant motion and struggle, and it does not turn on a single person's whim.
Take for instance, as a crude and simple example, if you and I were both wanting the last cookie and attempting to manifest that result- Only one of us is going to get it. The one who's Will was stronger, who was better at employing it, and perhaps who got lucky."

That's it -- an unsorted collection of texts that have helped me :) Your views and reading recommendations are of course very welcome :)

Khaos provides!
« Last Edit: October 26, 2017, 04:11:07 pm by Moon1ight »
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"Put in the work! :)" - Geri

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Re: Reflections
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 02:56:32 pm »
On a question about spells, Arjil recently gave this answer on FB, which I found worth keeping: 

"[...] any method that you think should work, should do it.
the basic components are Intent, and some act that means *magick* to you.
use the symbols (like the metaporical things, images, objects, things that evoke the feeling of that which you're searching for)
or make a sigil (google will get you there faster than I can type an explanation)

Really, it doesn't much matter What you do to make the magick work, only that you do something that you can believe in.
If you were a witch, say, and you were going to cast this spell, what would you do, if you had magick at your fingertips? - Imagine.

now Do That, and mean it.
believe in it.

That's a spell as good as any other.
Not to say that they always work, or work how we expect them to,
But that works as well as any other sort. Finding Your way is the trick."

I feel this kind of serves as a good summary to his bigger post https://storytellerway.com/2013/02/06/just-effing-magick/ -- surely one of the best things I've ever read about magick  :) . A while ago, I tried to make those ideas clearer to me by writing about them myself on OC, which turned out to be a good post, I think  8) http://occultcorpus.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27438-chaos-magick-exercise/page__p__164183#entry164183

2. "To ponder how You would make the magick work. If it was your ideal world- What would You do? When you think about magick, how do you Wish the process worked?

Do That. Keep at it till it works. And it will."
(From Arjil's original blogpost.)

(By the way, this is also a highly relevant post thread by Arjil: http://occultcorpus.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27491-direct-manipulation-class/ )

3. Some material on Energy Manipulation from http://manannan.net/occult/energy-manip.html
"Pulling Energy

Like our bodies, the physical world around us is full of energy. When working magic you will often find the need to recharge expended energies, or build up energy quickly before performing a task. There are many ways to do this.

Nature has a smorgasbord of energies to choose from. It flows within the ground, travels through the heat of the sun, is carried in the wind, and pretty much anything else you can think of. One should visualize the energy in the source you are going to take it from[...] For example, let's say you are going to take energy from the sunlight and heat around you. Close your eyes and see the pure energy floating all around you. Feel the vibrant life that is created by the sun's hot light. Instinctively feel its presence with your mind. Pull this energy toward your body and let it enter your skin, merging with your own energy and filling you with vibrant power. [...] If the sun is touching your skin, absorb its energy into that area of your body and circulate it to the rest of your system."

4. Recently, [someone] in Facebook posted a Terence McKenna-Quote which I found worth saving. Found it on the Internet as well:

“We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.”

My Response:
"If you're worried about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, you are disempowered [...] what is real is you and your friends [...]"
Wooooow, thanks a lot for sharing this. I've been trying to get this exact message across here in DKMU and elsewhere too :)
you have 24 hours per day for 90 years let's say -- enjoy them.
Optimise those precious hours with the people you like, don't waste time on anything that does not positively feed back into your hours.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2017, 03:34:39 pm by Moon1ight »
"The Assault on Reality lives in you.
This is what you were born to do." -Ahavah Ain Soph

"As far as what I think the DKMU is? It's a promise to never stop fighting against mundanity, to always be injecting the weird into the world" - Timothy Buell

"Put in the work! :)" - Geri

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Re: Magic as Decisions (and Happiness too)
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 09:50:02 pm »
I agree with this post 100 percent, That inner narrative control is the key to every aspect of living fulfilled.


"I am that narrative,
I speak what I create,
I create what I speak,
The living breath flows..."





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Re: Magic as Decisions (and Happiness too)
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 04:11:39 pm »
Hey, more stuff :) This time copying out of Facebook

I wanted to know about energy and emotions, so I asked this question:

"Recently we've discussed transmuting emotions. Multiple folks said that they transmute negative emotions into positive, or into energy or so. My question is, when there are negative emotions (by your personal definition) -- is that _additional_ (negative) energy moving you away from normal? Or is that a _lack_ of something?  Why might that be important? Let's say I ask Ellis to use the LS-Network energy manipulation capabilities to transmute negative emotions, e.g. around a sigil, or my own ones. If they are _additional_ energy, she can _convert_ it and use it for her own plans. If they are a _lack_, then to help me she has to _use up_ energy. That changes how I would use this application. And I guess that also changes to which extent she'd do it or not.
 Or does that question have no answer? Very interested in your views :) Thanks in advance."

I'm still interested in your views of course.

But here are some replies that helped me. As usual, I omit the names.

A: "[...] "Transmutation" is most often done by the old practice of making them conscious, observing without judging - thus they can dissolve in time. But be aware that what you focus on grows, so it's not an easy task.  [...]
One can't simply say that "emotions move you away from normal", there is a reason they surface. In order to properly 'convert' them, one will have ot make them conscious, work on it, analyze the possible causes and reasons..."

B: " "negative" emotions are more like just a different color of light from "positive" emotions". They're still the same sort of energy, just different wavelengths, so to speak."
To which A replies: "The same sort of energy", so when someone goes and multiplies via love it's the same like someone starts killin' because of hate & such?"
Which gives me just the right impulse, I write: " In this example, yes. Both requires energy to do. Both transforms Negentropy into some result and entropy. It's of course the same _only_ in this sense "

And my final preliminary :D thoughts at this moment:
"Wow, you two just helped me a lot. Thanks!
Energy is what does work. What changes the world. So when love makes you help folks or kiss your girlfriend. When hate makes you go out and yell at someone. When depression makes you lie in bed. Obviously these are all choices, I'm not trying to get to Determinism here. But when these choices, in the energy model, are somehow aligned with energy or correspond to it, then "[negative emotions are] still the same sort of energy, just different wavelengths, so to speak." makes total sense.

That's amazing. Because that means that Energy transmutation is indeed fruitful and one can use the _force_ of the subjective negative to create a (maybe smaller) but positive amount of energy. Yeah. Now that I have a satisfying conceptual understanding, I'll try to put it into practice :) "



2. Another awesome person, C, added:
"Energy has some kinds of characteristics. It can be "pure" or in forms of emotions.
Emotions can be transmuted into others or energy.
Ellis can redirect flavors of energies where they are needed into the web without conversion"
I totally didn't think of that. She might have uses for who knows what.


3. Quote by Gracco from IRC: "direct the flow of your own life. it requires constant upkeep. the basics never stop."
(Context. Me: "My basic idea is something like: Start with self-discipline and energy. These allow you to 1. keep control over your emotions -- keep the useless negativity out and 2. do the correct activities, not procrastinate, not waste your time. | When you're in control of your emotions, you can do the continous magic that you Gracco mentioned in a way that is benefitial to you. That makes both your life go better externally and your reactions to bad stuff better." [...] I'm trying to express those basics in the clearest terms I can --- 16:11   Gracco   just do it. that is literally the clearest terms)

Some more Gracco: "everything is energy. anything you do is energy work, like you can not keep from doing magick"

3. A short thing from Liber LS:
"So  we  all  know  about  channeling  various  energies, right? Research it. Learn how. Focus on the LS, and channel that power  just  like  you  would draw  down the  moon, or  tap an element or any other energy source-mix this in with your own  *Voo*    anduse  this  for  everything  from charging  and firing  a  sigil,  to  charging  talismans,  to  infusing  it  into  ritual work,  to  direct manipulation"

So. This was a bunch of stuff that inspired me or helped me. I tried to create a summary, which is in my next post. Thanks to all of you folks who helped me and to Ellis for keeping me going while I didn't sleep enough to put all this together :) I'll try to give back 8)

Edit:
Sheosyrath gave a nice line about the DKMU in the IRC, which I wanted to save:  What is the "assault on reality" and when does it end? But then again, that was never the purpose of the group.. it was just a project which had no end. The purpose was something along the lines of a social group based on active people who wanted magickal innovation in practical application, like with daily life/work/art and beyond.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2017, 09:19:58 am by Moon1ight »
"The Assault on Reality lives in you.
This is what you were born to do." -Ahavah Ain Soph

"As far as what I think the DKMU is? It's a promise to never stop fighting against mundanity, to always be injecting the weird into the world" - Timothy Buell

"Put in the work! :)" - Geri

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Instead of arguing over semantic differences I am just going to copypasta something.




XI - The PassionVenus in Leo - the creative development of passion leads to enjoyment and fulfilness
Zodiac: Leo
Tree of life: The connection between Chesedand Geburah
Element: Fire
Number: 11 as perfect combination of 1 and 2 (the cross sum of 11 is 2)
The Passion is the step into the second decade of the Major Arcana, the point where the journey into the inner depth begins. In other decks, this trump is called 'The Power', a symbol for the mastery of our own animal side. Crowley named the card 'Lust' - and most people don't really think of mastering their inner animal, but enjoy it full tilt...

In a combination of both, the animal side shouldn't be 'mastered' in the meaning of 'surpressed', nor should it be let out to 'romp around'. It should not be ignored, but accepted as a natural part of oneself. In that manner, one will not only be able to profit from its instinctive natural power, but also to save the power needed to 'master' it.

The Passion implies vitality, energy and power. The card tells us to use these riches. In most aspects of life, an endeavor will have much more success when passion is put into it.

Drive: Energy, passion, charisma, joy of life

Light: Power, vitality, unconditional devotion

Shadow: Weakness, insatisfaction, depression


http://www.corax.com/tarot/cards/index.html?wands-ace
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Re: Reflections (Texts and notes I considerd worth saving :) )
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 09:18:04 am »
Thanks Branch :)

This is quite a cool website! And I agree, The Strenth and the Ace of Wands encompass a lot of what I'm getting at.

"when passion is put into it." -- continuously  8)

Let me try to express all my thoughts here in a condensed fashion:

> "Smiling inwardly at all things" (Carrol in Psychonaut) -- while seeing reality as it is. Knowing that your inner state is your decision.
> Energy manipulation --  Using concentration to draw energy into the LS- network and oneself. ("See the pure energy floating all around you. [..] feel its presence with your mind. Pull this energy toward your body and let it enter your skin, merging with your own energy and filling you with vibrant power.")
> Optimising for future positive consequences: doing the right things practically, not wasting time.
> Daily Meditation: Chapman -- "Be aware of what you are experiencing. Let thoughts, feelings, and physical sensations arise and pass away of their own accord. " or "Bring your attention on to the object and keep it there [...] as soon as you realise you are not concentrating[, ...]  bring your attention back"
> Just Doing Magick: "intentionally infusing ones Will with magick" -- "Summon the vision, and more importantly, summon the Feeling, and Pretend like a kid that you’re casting your spell, and like a kid, Believe it.".
a.) Influence your life directly. A friend said: "The universe amplifies/gives exactly what you focus your attention on. What you carry in your thoughts and feelings increases in your life." The clearer the focus (more or less "Gnosis") and the longer you do it, the stronger the effect. You can use the time where your thoughts would chase idle worries etc. to do something useful that way. This is my version of the permanent Buddhist Mindfulness.
b.) Empower your Spirits. ("Throughout the centuries, witches kept servitors, some of these relationships have even spanned lifetimes. This is achieved by calling the servitor by the name given to it, and breathing more light energy into it, reaffirming its mission"*)
> As last point, do Magick often, so that you improve, just like in everything else. Practice works even if I don't understand the mechanism.

Arjil: "When you think about magick, how do you Wish the process worked?
Do That. Keep at it till it works. And it will."


Gracco: "just do it. that is literally the clearest terms"


* Found some shockingly good texts on a Satanist page :D http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Magick.html (What I liked most were the "Three Steps", the "Advanced Thoughtforms" and their material on Energy Work.)
 
« Last Edit: January 05, 2018, 04:26:18 pm by Moon1ight »
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This is what you were born to do." -Ahavah Ain Soph

"As far as what I think the DKMU is? It's a promise to never stop fighting against mundanity, to always be injecting the weird into the world" - Timothy Buell

"Put in the work! :)" - Geri

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Re: Reflections (Texts and notes I considered worth saving :) )
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2017, 10:36:47 pm »
Some more things... this time mainly my own thoughts.
Skip the black part unless you're into LoA :D

I'm trying to come up with a formulation of the Law of Attraction that I like. Here's the current version:
"Khaos and the universe tend to give you further reasons to think and feel how you are already thinking and feeling. The strength of the effect depends on the  intensities and durations of your various thoughts and feelings.
Thus remember to consciously direct them in everyday life and don't just let them be determined by  circumstances."

On this view, "active" magic, like a ritual, is just done to reserve some time to think and feel about something and do that with the greatest intensity (Gnosis = quietening the mind, heightening awareness = more intensity goes to the intent).

This also helped me to see the difference between LoA-work and "just wishing" -- The magic comes from the intense thought that your wish will/has come true, and the corresponding feelings of happiness and gratitude. These aspects are of course missing in a normal wish.

I also finally found an (obvious in retrospect :D ) way to reconcile this "happiness"-stuff with the need to see the world as it is. Eliezer Yudkowsky (of "Less Wrong"-fame) has the thought to check "What positive future events does this action cause?" for everything ( lesswrong.com/lw/b4f/sotw_check_consequentialism/ ). Combining this with my ideas yields "Negative thoughts and emotions are only worthwhile when they will plausibly lead to actual positive consequences". Very obvious indeed. But I like having such stuff written down clearly.  ::)


Edit: Honestly, I think that this pure LoA-approach that I described at the start of this post is a step back from the Arjil-inspired approach one post above. 

Timothy Buell on FB answered my question about the difference between thoughts and magick with this: "[...] [Magick is usually done in] some sort of trance state [to bypass the psychic censor].

The other method (which in my mind also includes a sort of trance state) is in intentionally infusing ones Will with magick/energy/prana/whateverthefuck-you-call-it, so then it simply is a difference between what intent you're infusing and what you're not."
This is exactly what I'm getting at -- the feeling of Magick, as separated from mundane consciousness. Will try to focus more on that in normal life!

Edit 2: That of course brings back the question of Magickal Strength. My current best guess is that it's similar to everything else -- practice.
Asked Gracco about it and he wrote: "practice is a form of attunement really, attument to a desired goal. working towards desired manifestation, practice is a form of ritual magick really"  -- makes total sense! You use magic both to an effect and to improve at magic. And then you just get better by practice -- what a shock :D Like everywhere else! Today I'm very tired so I'm probably pointing out the obvious even more than usual :D I don't really understand how exactly my muscles get stronger when doing pushups regularly, or why after some days I can keep the balance on the longboard much better. Just DO It. Enough theory.

Edit 3: Just a quick note on Morality:

"The great experience: Seduce thyself to pleasure. There is only one sin-suffering. There is only on virtue-the will to self-pleasure.
[...]
The most important outcome of human effort is that we learn to become righteous thieves: To possess more easily of others for self-advantage. In this incessant glorification of work, I discover a great human secret: 'Do thou the work-I my pleasure.'
[...]
There is nothing higher than joyous sensation."
- AOS in The Focus of Life ( https://hermetic.com/spare/focus_life#aphorism-ii )

Edit 4: Conviction Magick

I'm tired, have no clue and am speculating wildly here :D But here's a quick thought: Could it be that conviction that some magickal act will work is really critical in magick?

For example, a traditional ceremonialist thinks that one needs to conjure demons in the way outlined by Salomon with the items described. This is what he needs to convince  himself that his action will be "Magic" and produce results. At the same time, a witchcould be working with the Cthulhu Mythos and make an evocation of a being that was recently invented. The ceremonialist would say that this will have no effect. But because the Witch has convinced herself that this will work, it does.

Or maybe, it's not even about convincing oneself that the magick will work, but just convincing oneself that one's intent will come true. A Wizard does something and thinks "Now that I did X, Y is sure to happen." Maybe the very conviction of "Y is sure to happen" is what makes it happen? Then Magick would be about convincing oneself that making things happen is not very difficult... something like that. Maybe I'm talking nonsense here, just tired thoughts which seemed interesting :D

End note: If anyone is reading this -- the red block in the post above this represents my summarised current view.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 11:54:44 pm by Moon1ight »
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This is what you were born to do." -Ahavah Ain Soph

"As far as what I think the DKMU is? It's a promise to never stop fighting against mundanity, to always be injecting the weird into the world" - Timothy Buell

"Put in the work! :)" - Geri

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2017, 09:07:01 am »
Soo... interesting. Yesterday I was discussing Goetic Demons with Gerie (Thanks for a great discussion, Bro <3). During that, I reread the 72 descriptions in DuQuette's Goetia and endet up on Seere, the 70th Spirit -- again. Two years ago I already had planned an evocation, but decided to evoke Ellis instead, which was one of the best decisions of my life ( https://www.dkmu.org/forum/index.php?topic=253.0 ).

Now, today I woke up early and started thinking whether or not I want to add working with a Goetic Demon to my life -- one described as "He appears in the form of a beautiful man, riding upon a winged horse. His office is to go and come; and to bring abundance of things to pass on a sudden, [...] He is of an indifferent good nature, and is willing to do anything which the Exorcist desires."


http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/lks05.htm

And as it is with Spirits and me, this thinking kind of naturally evolved into visualising him and from there into dialogue  :) ... We talked a bit, and came to the terms that he woud support me in my life going well (i.e. according to my desires) so far as he was comfortable, and I would do for him as much as I was comfortable. In my mind, what I can do for him is general devotion, thinking highly of him, incence etc., but also something like putting his Sigil out into the world and "spreading the word" ;) . (Edit: If we assume  that this is something that these Spirits desire, then the pact is quite symmetrical -- he support my life going well and I support his. Obvious, but interesting.) What I think he can do for me is suport my Life and more specifically my intents (and thus my servitors) with his own Magick.

I do not expect him to put in more effort for me than I put in for him, but I do expecct his influence to be strictly positive -- there is no reason for anything else, and anything else would also be "filtered out" of my by my own LS-powered Magick  8) The idea is that some things are easier for me, as a Spirit with a body (like putting out a symbol into the world) and other things might be easiert for a centuries-old Spirit without a body, like manipulating probabilities. So we can have a positive-sum exchange :)

We'll see if he will create a noticeable improvement  ;)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 09:12:46 am by Moon1ight »
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